A 5 Part Conversation Series

With Stephen Jenkinson and Kimberly Ann Johnson
Starts November 7th

“Right about now, we deserve a good crisis.”

The recent August 2021 conversations I had with Stephen Jenkinson are the most listened to podcasts I’ve ever recorded. 

They are also a mark in time for me. 

There is the person I was before engaging with Stephen Jenkinson and the person I seem to be in the wake of my meetings with Stephen Jenkinson. 

I can’t explain to you exactly why. But I can extend an invitation to you to listen (both episodes are here.) and in so doing, to step into the conversation with him and I.

Something here....

Dear ones,

I can’t give you a neat and tidy summary of the five things I’m doing differently now, or how my relationships have drastically changed, or how now I feel a new resolve about my work life or mothering. 

In fact, in a way things have gotten messier. But the etymology of mess now lets me know that messes have their origins in feasting and feeding. Maybe my messiness is becoming more fit to bring people to the table.

But I can tell you what changed is the emergence of a bass note that I don’t recall being there before. 

When I wake up in the morning, there’s a remembering of the times we’re in and the place I’m trying to find in them. Both interviews registered as an invited indictment- one of the only elders I’ve ever spoken with who wasn’t trying to end on a high note or give me hope or inspiration- in fact, quite the opposite. 

Maybe hope-free instead of hopeful and directing me towards perspiration in the form of work rather than inspiration.

And yet, instead of leaving me demoralized, I felt that finally I was hearing a more accurate reflection to what I was feeling and sensing in the parts of the world I am attuned towards, attended to at a depth and a complexity that felt like nourishment, even though he articulates a crisis bigger, broader and deeper than what I imagined.

On the heels of those conversations, I proposed to Stephen Jenkinson that we have a 5 series conversation that you are a mandatory part of. He agreed. 

And you are needed for this conversation. 

Please proceed as if that was the case even if the evidence for that might seem thin.

A living experiment. Not a course or a masterclass. 

People could listen live, and could send in questions ahead of time. I would read through the questions, amalgamate them, and he and I would have a real conversation. 

Not the kind where I ask him things and kind of know what he’s going to say, or try to lead him in a direction, but the kind where what he says influences what how I respond, and how I respond in turn influences what he says back, and that I… and maybe you.. can be living it and feeling the quality of an actual encounter in real time, as it’s happening. 

This Conversation Series will cover:

We will attend to the questions of these troubled times- the plague, the fracturing of a sense of commons- through the lens of each of his books and one of his albums. 

  • Money and the Soul’s Desire
  • Die Wise: A Manifesto For Sanity And Soul
  • Come Of Age: The Case For Elderhood In A Time Of Trouble
  • Dark Gods and Rough Mysteries
  • A Generation’s Worth: Spirit Work While The Crisis Reigns

About Stephen Jenkinson:

Stephen is a worker, author, storyteller, culture activist, and founder of Orphan Wisdom, a teaching house for skills of deep living and making human culture that are mandatory in endangered, endangering times. He makes books, tends farm and mends broken handles and fences, succumbs to interviews, teaches and performs internationally.

Stephen teaches internationally and is the creator and principal instructor of the Orphan Wisdom School, co-founded the school with his wife Nathalie Roy in 2010, convening semi-annually in Deacon, Ontario, and in northern Europe.

He has Master’s degrees from Harvard University (Theology) and the University of Toronto (Social Work).

Apprenticed to a master storyteller when a young man, he has worked extensively with dying people and their families, is former programme director in a major Canadian hospital, former assistant professor in a prominent Canadian medical school.

Kimberly Ann Johnson

Author, Sexological Bodyworker, and Somatic Experiencing Practitioner

Kimberly Ann Johnson is the bestselling author of the early mothering classic The Fourth Trimester: Healing Your Body, Balancing Your Emotions and Restoring Your Vitality published in seven languages around the world. She recently released her latest book Call of The Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, And Use It For Good.  

A sought after practitioner and lead authority in postpartum health, Johnson has been working hands-on in integrative women’s health and trauma recovery for more than a decade. 

Her work has been featured in The New York TimesForbesVogue, New York Magazine’s The CutHarper’s Bazaar, Today.com and many more. She is the host of the Sex, Birth and Trauma podcast with over half a million unique downloads.

I invite you to an honest reckoning. 

I came to the podcasts, like I do to most interviews, with earnest questions- things I’m really wrestling with, trying to work out, the tension of the multiple opposites that I’m feeling. 

And I’m sure like you- I have a lot of questions, tensions, and apparently competing narratives.

I will come to these conversations the same way.

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